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TuesdayDecember 9, 2025

Death penalty activists sit down in our studio — one for, one against

Tasha A.F. Lemley
Death penalty abolitionist, Rev. Tim Holton (R) shares family photos with pro capital punishment advocate Rick Laude. Rev. Holton's four young cousins were murdered by their father who was subsequently executed for the crime.
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On days when someone is executed at Riverbend Maximum Security Institution in Nashville, community members are generally allowed to gather outside the prison in a large field. Separated by fences and distance are the “against” and “for” sides. The “againsts” are usually made up of a few dozen clergy and abolitionists, including one of our guests today — death row chaplain Rev. Tim Holton. The “for” side tends to be much slimmer. Frequently, there’s just one man: our other guest, Rick Laude.

During the course of their conversation in the TIN studio, they learn their lives have a lot in common, particularly the childhood trauma they experienced.  This organically turned into a conversation between them and not an interview by us. We’re along for the ride with you — and grateful to be in the room.

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